Sunday, September 2, 2012

15 May 1985: Canterbury Court, Perth, Australia (OZ/NZ85 stash tape)

New Order
(unknown gig, probably 15 May 1985 Canterbury Court, Perth, Australia)

source: Hooky's rubbish bin (the "stash" tapes)
lineage: Master soundboard recording cassette
analogloyalist mastering September 2012

At long last I'm starting to fix up and free a stash of gigs - which first saw the light (heh) in 2004 on the long-defunct Sharing The Groove, but were essentially untouched beyond basic cleanup - that really show how brilliant New Order were in their prime in the mid-'80s.

The quick-and-dirty background:  Whilst cleaning house, a set of master New Order soundboard tapes (various mid-80s live gigs, some rehearsals, and a DAT or two from the band's 1989 US tour) was found by Hooky under the floorboards at his studio Suite 16 in Rochdale, England.  At some point, these tapes ended up in Hooky's trash as he thought they were shite, apparently.  After a drunken night at Casa de Hooky, a musician friend of the bearded bass player, who was in his employ for a duration in the early 90s, rescued the tapes from the rubbish bin.  Ultimately the tapes ended up being auctioned to a well-known New Order internet site proprietor in Florida, a fellow who is not commonly known for sharing the wealth.  In the interim, ATR (sometimes called Stash) obtained digital transfers of these tapes before they were shipped off to the Sunshine State.  ATR then shared them amongst the New Order cognoscenti, and then in 2004 we fed them to the world via Sharing The Groove.

All these gigs had their various problems as-received from the source in between Hooky and us, the least of which were sector boundary errors (which means, if burned as-is to CD, there are audible "pops" in between tracks) and all off-pitch by varying degrees.  Some were extremely muddy, and others were far too bright.  None of them were just right, but my aim is to make them so.

(The New Order "stash" gigs that were on Sharing The Groove, and various other torrent sites and blogs from 2004 onward, are all from those original 2004 releases and have not been formally mastered since, until now.)

Previous "stash" tapes posted, 2012 masterings all:
7 July 1984 Barcelona
7 Dec 1985 Slough
13 Dec 1985 Orleans
17 Dec 1985 Leuven

This is, possibly, the worst New Order gig ever.

Fucked up guitar lines? Check.
Misread setlist? Check.
Entire-song key transpositions on one instrument only? Check.
Fucked up bass lines? Check.

The entire gig is just a sloppy, poorly-performed mess.  It's perhaps living proof that, in the day, a New Order gig was either going to be one of the best ever gigs you ever saw, or the worst.  Which is why - while not an everyday listen for me - I love this tape.

To add insult to injury, we don't actually know what this gig is!  The stash box o' tapes labeled this as "OZ/NZ85" both on the manifest, and the tape itself.  For a long time New Order gig sleuths believed it was actually from the Fox Theater, Atlanta GA 11 Aug 1985, but further close analysis has caused a significant rethink of this.  What little of the audience you can make out doesn't sound American, or even American South.  The punter yelling for the Joy Division song "Transmission" doesn't prounounce the "Trans" bit like an American (think "Treans" but little emphasis on the "e"); rather, it sounds English or Antipodean ("Trahns").  Same with the punter yelling for "In A Lonely Place".

Here's the analysis from a detective, posted in our humble site host's writeup of this, which he has defaulted to listing under the 11 Aug 85 entry:

"I've been doing some more detective work...... I remembered seeing a poster on eBay last year for Perth Canterbury Court 15/5/85, but hadn't realised that this was an unknown gig until looking at your gigography. I know we hadn't got a recording, or so we thought....

I've done a lot of listening to the horror show that we had previously tentatively identified as Atlanta Fox Theater 11/8/85, but I am now starting to come over heavily to the idea that this is indeed the Perth 15/5/85 show.

- The CD I got had OZ/NZ85 written on it - this is how it was labelled when it went to David Sultan in the first place as part of that box.
- The performance is very much one of a band who haven't been rehearsing, rather than one mid-tour, as would have been the case for Atlanta.
- The setlist fits in better with what they were doing in Hong Kong/Japan/ Australia than it does the US - many overlaps with the New Orleans 12/8/85 show but hardly any with the Melbourne 17/5/85 show, which fits in with their rotation policy.
- "As It Is When It Was" is better formed than the Japanese versions, but not as advanced as the US versions, and the lyrics are the same as Brisbane five days later.
- The voice that calls out for "In A Lonely Place" when Bernard picks up his melodica before "Hurt" is not an American one....sounds more Antipodean to me.

Still in stitches over some of the performances that night - "Subculture" on the wrong bass string, shoddy "Sunrise" guitar work, an apocalyptic "Chosen Time", Bernard's failure to read the setlist, Gillian striking again on "STYT"..... quite possibly the worst ever performance I would think!"

So, I'm going with the newthink and calling it Perth 15 May 1985.  What pins it for me is that what Barney was meaning to introduce as "a very new song" - "As It Is When It Was" - was indeed a very new song for May 1985, having just entered the setlists earlier in the month in Japan.  By the time of the American tour in late summer 1985, it had been played a fair bit and would no longer have been a "very new song".

My favorite part of this gig is the entirety of "Death Rattle".  Gillian performs the whole song in the wrong key, causing Barney to give up all pretense of performance and just have fun with it.

I really like the "Sunrise" intro, for whatever reason.  "Temptation" has a somewhat unique opening that I also dig quite a bit; it's a shame that we only get about 5+ minutes of the song until it's faded out due to it being on the tape flip spot.

A technical note:  Until about one minute into "Age Of Consent" the levels are in spots overloaded, causing significant distortion at times in the first three (and a half) songs.  I think it's the tape and not the transfer; the overall level of the transfer didn't change throughout but the worst distortion magically clears up when presumably Oz finally pulled back on the levels mid-song (there are still lesser distorted bits throughout however).

01 Sunrise
02 Sooner Than You Think
03 Subculture
04 Age Of Consent
05 A Bullet In My Ear (As It Is When It Was)
06 Cramp
07 586
08 Death Rattle
09 Temptation
10 The Perfect Kiss
11 Confusion

FLACs here.  Sample track above.

Please to enjoy!


  1. Many thanks for this one.
    A very interesting listen!
    Keep up the fine work you are doing with these gems.

  2. Many thanks, it's one of my favorite New Order gigs (for comedic reasons). I only had a lossy version of this one. Your remaster sounds great, as usual.

  3. The whole thing is magic - just a great reminder of the variable nature of NO...

    Thanks again for the clean up of these. Some new gems - and replacing some horrible copies from bootleg tapes from the late 80s..

  4. What an absolute pile of shite. God I wish I'd been there. That's why I love New Order as well.
    A brilliant job you've done with the remaster as usual, I look forward to every one of your productions, it makes up for having been disappointed in their latest, Hookyless incarnation......

  5. "...who is not commonly known for sharing the wealth..."

    Not that cunt Sultan?

  6. New Order is like shagging -- take it ant way you fuckin can, idjit.

  7. Hi there Loyalist

    I'm having trouble with 5 of the tracks. Although they have a length, time wise, on the tracks and when I convert them to iTunes, there is nothing on the tracks and it just skips over them. Is this my fault, or something to do with the flacs???


  8. It's officially impossible to hear this, err, rendition of Death Rattle and keep a straight face. Caught in public with their trousers down, indeed. But hey, "everybody makes mistakes."

    Many thanks for polishing this one, Mr. AL!

  9. Can't wait, there's nothing like listening to a band in mid-train wreck...

  10. can't seem to download this, a message says they belong to a suspended account, can anyone help?

  11. files re-upped due to old Mediafire account issues.
    new link:

  12. Many thanks for all the good work you have done here!

  13. OZ/NZ would have to stand for Australia/New Zealand!

  14. I know this is kind of late and a moot point with the copyright fiasco and such, but I'll leave a comment about this gig anyway...

    I've been re-reading all the New Order blog entries and after listening to this gig for years (one of my favourites), I always thought Gillian gets a bad rep for the "Chosen Time" fiasco. If you compare the synth bass line that Gillian is playing with the Movement studio album and/or other gigs, she's playing in the right key. It's Hooky who's playing in the wrong key!

    That said, thanks Analog Loyalist for all your efforts, I personally and truly appreciate it. I hope things get sorted out soon.

  15. There's actually a possibility that this may actually be from a third 1985 Tokyo show played on 3 May 1985, rather than from Perth.

    The inlay (J-card) that this tape was housed in was labelled "Club "D" though I believe the tape itself was labelled "OZ/NZ" on it...but that may have been done well after the fact by somebody who had no knowledge about the venue written on the insert.

    The main evidence against this being a Japanese gig is that all the between-song audience shouting we can make out sounds like Aussie-accented English, but it could be several loud people and not representative of the entire crowd, and as some of you are aware, there's a long history of folk who travel around to catch this group.

  16. The J card is visible in the picture at the top of cassettes in the Rob Gretton stash, it was empty, the cassette being amongst the ones sold on eBay (as you all know).

    1. jsz: I was actually referring to the J card with the actual tape as reported by the original buyer, not the missing tape in the Gretton stash

  17. Definitely wasn't Canterbury Court. I was there and as a special treat, they said, played Love Will tear us apart. Shit sound, attitude, played for about 40 minutes, the stage was hailed with empty bottles when they walked off

    1. I call shenanigans on your observation on length, Anonymous. No way the group would have played only 40 minutes specially for Perth, their sets were uniformly at least an hour at this point. The soundboard tapes often weren't restarted for the encores, so this could very well be the same show that you remember, it's a tall order to ask, but I would be curious after 28 years you have any other recollections of any songs they played that don't line up with this. It's hard to get around the fact the audience on here sounds Australian, so this really can't be anything other than Perth.

    2. I was at the gig and it was bloody awful, they were bombarded with bottles which was a bit much..but I remember them walking off...relief for all parties involved

  18. Amazing. Another story to add to the likes of all the others who've tried to make it through adversity. I'm just glad that the tapes got rescued from the dustbin rather that than Canterbury landfill. What a place for storage of some of the best music of the century..

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